"We’re All In Bubbles And We Have To Get Out Of Them" Featuring Dr. David Spence, Author of "Climate of Contempt"

Today we had the opportunity to visit with Dr. David Spence, Chair in Natural Resources Law at the University of Texas and Author of “Climate of Contempt: How to Rescue the U.S. Energy Transition from Voter Partisanship.” Dr. Spence joined the University of Texas faculty in 1997 and his research focuses on the law and politics of energy regulation. He holds a Ph.D. in Political Science from Duke University and serves as a professor of Business, Government & Society at the McCombs School of Business in addition to teaching at Texas Law. “Climate of Contempt” was recently published in August and addresses the politics and forces that have affected energy policy. We were thrilled to thrilled to explore the book’s key themes and arguments with David.   In our conversation, we discuss the various factors David has researched contributing to ineffective policymaking, the value of engaging in open and honest discussions across ideological lines, how social media and advocacy media influence policy understanding, the destructive effects of today’s media landscape on comprehending complex issues, and issues with social media echo chambers. David shares some of the feedback he’s received since publishing “Climate of Contempt,” the reluctance of political leaders to address the failings of their own party members, the role of natural gas in energy policy, and the benefits of being technologically agnostic. We touch on shifts in attitudes toward nuclear energy, the need for more discussions around risks and trade-offs with energy technology, growing global energy demand, the potential for technological innovation in energy, and how differences in energy and environmental policy influence where industries decide to locate their operations. We also cover the challenges of regulating energy markets, the counterproductive demonization of oil and gas, potential ways to encourage cross-sector collaboration between academia, government and the commercial sector, and more. For additional resources related to “Climate of Contempt,” please visit www.climateofcontempt.com. We greatly enjoyed the discussion with David and appreciate him sharing his time and insights with us.   Mike Bradley opened the discussion by highlighting two areas, those being the recent surge in both U.S. bond yields as well as global crude oil prices. On the bond yield front, he discussed that despite the FED’s 50-basis point interest rate cut three weeks ago, the 10-year U.S. bond yield has surged from ~3.65% to ~4.00% mostly due to hotter-than-expected recent economic data. He flagged that several important economic reports will be released this week (CPI, PPI & Consumer Sentiment) and that these reports could create some added bond and equity market volatility. Regarding crude oil, in the past week WTI price surged to over $77/bbl (~$9/bbl gain) due to concerns of whether Israel would attack Iranian nuclear sites and/or crude oil export terminals/refineries. Last week’s news of a Chinese stimulus program also contributed to the surge in global oil prices, but one of the key reasons for the recent surge in oil price is a “short squeeze” which is an outgrowth of an extremely bearish trader positioning in crude oil futures (especially Brent). He also noted that on Tuesday, WTI price slid by over $3/bbl (~$74/bbl), as well as the price of several base metal commodities, on news that the Chinese government was holding back on additional economic stimulus spending. Jeff Tillery pointed out that while a stronger underlying economy is good for long-term energy demand, short-term price boosts from geopolitical turmoil may have a negative impact on stocks over time.   Thank you again to David for joining and thanks to you all for your support and friendship!