Sean Illing + Jamil Smith & Sam Sanders + Olivia Nuzzi , The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Sam Sanders and Olivia Nuzzi on President Trump’s last days

14 Jan 2021 • 46 min • EN
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New York magazine's Washington correspondent Olivia Nuzzi spent the past four years covering the Trump White House. In this inaugural episode of Vox Conversations, Nuzzi talks to guest host Sam Sanders, host of NPR's It’s Been a Minute, about the perils of anonymous sourcing, some unexpected job hazards (self-loathing), and why Trump didn’t ultimately create, but instead activated, the crowd of insurgents that breached the Capitol last week. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit

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