Simplicity • Pragmatic Dave Thomas & Sarah Taraporewalla

This interview was recorded for the GOTO Book Club. http://gotopia.tech/bookclub Read the full transcription of the interview here: https://gotopia.tech/episodes/383 Pragmatic Dave Thomas - Pragmatic Programmer Turned Publisher Sarah Taraporewalla - CTO APAC at Thoughtworks RESOURCES Dave https://pragdave.me https://twitter.com/pragdave https://github.com/pragdave https://linkedin.com/in/dave-thomas-53aa1057 Sarah https://sarahtaraporewalla.com https://twitter.com/sarahtarap https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahtaraporewalla https://github.com/staraporf Links https://pragprog.com https://agilemanifesto.org DESCRIPTION Sarah Taraporewalla (CTO APAC at Thoughtworks) sits down with programming legend Dave Thomas—co-founder of The Pragmatic Programmer and co-creator of principles like DRY (Don"t Repeat Yourself)—to discuss his latest book "Simplicity." Dave reveals why he believes "Agile is Dead" and shares his disillusionment with how agile practices have become rigid, corporate processes rather than the flexible, value-driven approach originally envisioned in the Agile Manifesto he helped create. The conversation centers around his new Orient-Step-Learn framework, designed to help individual developers master true simplicity through deliberate practice and feedback loops, emphasizing that real simplicity requires mastery and cannot be achieved overnight. Dave advocates for developers to take personal agency, reduce unnecessary dependencies, and focus on what they can control rather than waiting for organizational change, arguing that simplicity is ultimately about cutting away complexity to reveal elegant, minimal solutions. RECOMMENDED BOOKS Dave Thomas • simplicity • https://amzn.to/43FghBJ Dave Thomas & Andy Hunt • The Pragmatic Programmer • https://amzn.to/43QuMBj Dave Snowden & Friends • Cynefin • https://amzn.to/3FSnF3Inspiring Tech Leaders - The Technology Podcast Interviews with Tech Leaders and insights on the latest emerging technology trends. Listen on: Apple Podcasts   Spotify Bluesky Twitter Instagram LinkedIn Facebook CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP BONUS Join this channel to get early access to videos & other perks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCs_tLP3AiwYKwdUHpltJPuA/join Looking for a unique learning experience? Attend the next GOTO conference near you! Get your ticket: gotopia.tech SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL - new videos posted daily!