
What makes a church healthy—not just successful? In this episode, Rev. Tara Beth Leach and Dr. Mark Quanstrom continue their conversation with Randy Frazee, exploring how culture—not just strategy—determines a church’s future. Randy shares how his leadership philosophy has shifted over the years—from top-down leadership models to team-based collaboration, from focusing on numbers to prioritizing engagement. His wisdom is a must-hear for pastors wrestling with staff culture, leadership expectations, and burnout. 🎙️ In This Episode: Why culture eats strategy for breakfast—and how to shape it well. How collaborative leadership (instead of top-down models) creates healthier churches. Why self-awareness and humility matter more than being a "visionary leader." How pastors can embrace their strengths instead of trying to do it all. 📌 Highlights: [00:06:00] The danger of fear-based leadership and how Randy’s approach has changed. [00:12:00] “We stopped counting attendance and started measuring engagement.” [00:19:00] Why hiring well means knowing what you’re bad at. [00:24:00] Moving from ownership to stewardship—how to stop making church about you. 💡 Takeaway: Pastors don’t have to be everything to everyone. True leadership comes from embracing your strengths, surrounding yourself with the right people, and fostering a culture where others thrive.
From "The Pastor's Table"
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