Revealing the unknown unknowns in your software

07 Nov 2025 • 31 min • EN
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Ryan welcomes Nic Benders to discuss the complexity and abstraction crisis in software development, the importance of going beyond observability into understandability, and demystifying AI's opacity for understanding and control. Episode notes: New Relic is a full-stack observability platform that helps engineers plan, build, deploy, and run software. Read their 2025 observability forecast.  Connect with Nic on Linkedin or email him at nic@newrelic.com. Congratulations to user Yochai Timmer for winning a Populist badge on their answer to Reader/Writer Locks in C++.  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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