Jonathan Balcombe & Jo-Anne McArthur

In this animal-focused episode, Rick"s two guests are Jonathan Balcombe and Jo-Anne McArthur. Jonathan is a world-renowned biologist, ethologist, and author of popular science books on the inner lives of animals, including Pleasurable Kingdom, Second Nature, and What a Fish Knows - a New York Times best-seller. Jo-Anne is an award-winning photojournalist, speaker, and founder of WeAnimalsMedia. She’s visited over sixty countries to document our complex relationship with animals. As a pack, they talk about Ethology Animal photojournalism “Try and try again” How you protect what you love Animal sentience Animal playfulness Things getting better AND worse Cultural influence on meat-eating The effects of vegetarianism Leading by example The ick-factor of lab-grown meat Factory farms as conflict zones Ad-gag laws And trivia for plant-eaters ... You do make friends with salad. XingTheGap.com BoomTheShow.com RickMiller.ca ig: @xingthegap fb: @xingthegap ig: @rickmilleractor tw/x: @rickmilleractor jonathanbalcombe.com fb: JonathanBalcombeAuthor tw/x: @jonathanpb1959 weanimalsmedia.org Youtube: weanimalsmedia fb: WeAnimals ig: @WeAnimals tw/x: @WeAnimals