IL44: From AI Hype to Transformative AGI ft. Aubrie Pagano

31 Dec 2025 • 62 min • EN
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In this Ideas Lab episode, Kevin Coldiron speaks with venture capitalist and former founder Aubrie Pagano about what stands between today’s AI hype and a truly transformative AGI economy. Rather than treating AI as destiny, Aubrie maps the frictions that hold it back: hard power limits, fragile industrial data, and agents that still cannot coordinate with humans or each other. She explains why we may be a full capital cycle or two away from real AGI and why that delay is precisely where the best opportunities lie. The conversation then widens into the “Aquarius Economy,” a possible future in which human agency, not algorithms, becomes the scarcest and most valuable asset. ----- 50 YEARS OF TREND FOLLOWING BOOK AND BEHIND-THE-SCENES VIDEO FOR ACCREDITED INVESTORS - CLICK HERE ----- Follow Niels on Twitter, LinkedIn, YouTube or via the TTU website. IT’s TRUE ? – most CIO’s read 50+ books each year – get your FREE copy of the Ultimate Guide to the Best Investment Books ever written here. And you can get a free copy of my latest book “Ten Reasons to Add Trend Following to Your Portfolio” here. Learn more about the Trend Barometer here. Send your questions to info@toptradersunplugged.com And please share this episode with a like-minded friend and leave an honest Rating & Review on iTunes or Spotify so more people can discover the podcast. Follow Kevin on SubStack & read his Book. Follow Aubrie on LinkedIn. Episode TimeStamps: 00:00 - Why agent coordination is still clunky and unreliable 00:38 - Intro to Top Traders Unplugged and performance risk framing 01:34 - Kevin sets up the Ideas Lab and today’s focus on AGI 02:59 - Aubrie’s background as founder, researcher and VC shaping her lens 06:04 - Why she wrote about AGI and the Aquarius Economy 07:21 - AGI as the last cycle built on labor scarcity 10:41 - The blockers framework and why AGI may be a cycle or two away 12:58 - Blocker...

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