EP466: What Is Rising Faster, Insurance Premiums or Hospital Prices? With Vivian Ho, PhD

Healthcare costs keep rising, but what’s driving those increases? In this episode, Stacey Richter speaks with Dr. Vivian Ho, a health economist at Rice University and Baylor College of Medicine, to break down the real reasons behind skyrocketing commercial insurance premiums. Are insurance premiums rising faster than wages—and why does it matter? What’s the biggest driver of premium increases? (Spoiler: It’s hospital prices.) Are hospital price hikes justified by rising costs—or is something else at play? Dr. Ho shares data-backed insights on hospital consolidation, executive incentives, and how health system pricing impacts self-insured employers and plan sponsors. If you’re a healthcare executive or a jumbo employer managing benefits, this episode is a must-listen. === LINKS === 🔗  Show Notes with all mentioned links: https://relentlesshealthvalue.com/episodes ✉️  Enjoy this podcast? Subscribe to the free weekly newsletter: https://relentlesshealthvalue.com/join-the-relentless-tribe 🫙  Support the podcast with a small donation to the Tip Jar: https://relentlesshealthvalue.com/join-the-relentless-tribe 🎤  Listen on Apple Podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/feed/id892082003?ls=1 🎤  Listen on Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/6UjgzI7bScDrWvZEk2f46b 📺  Subscribe to our YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/@RelentlessHealthValue === CONNECT WITH THE RHV TEAM === ✭ LinkedIn   https://www.linkedin.com/company/relentless-health-value/ ✭ Bluesky   https://bsky.app/profile/relentleshealth.bsky.social ✭ Threads  https://www.threads.net/@relentlesshealthvalue/ ✭ X   https://twitter.com/relentleshealth/ 05:12 Are insurance premiums going up? 05:59 What is the disparity between cost of insurance and wage increases?06:21 LinkedIn post by Byron Hugley. 06:25 Article by Michael Strain. 06:46 How much have insurance premiums gone up for employers versus employees? 09:06 Chart showing the cost to insure populations of employees and families. 10:17 What is causing hospital prices and insurance premiums to go up so exponentially? 12:53 Article by (and tribute to) Uwe Reinhardt. 13:49 EP450 with Marilyn Bartlett, CPA, CGMA, CMA, CFM. 15:28 Are razor-thin operating margins for hospitals causing these rising hospital prices? 16:56 Collaboration with Marilyn Bartlett and the NASHP Hospital Cost Tool. 19:47 What is the explanation that hospitals give for justifying these profits?23:16 How do these hospital cost increases actually happen? 27:06 Study by Zack Cooper, PhD. 27:50 Who typically makes up a hospital board, and why do these motivations incentivize hospital price increases? 30:12 EP418 with Mark Cuban and Ferrin Williams, PharmD, MBA. 33:17 Why is it vital that change start at the board level?