EP222 – STOP Attracting the Wrong People to Your MSP with Julie Hutchison & Ian Luckett

Now, if you've ever been in the frustrating position of recruiting someone you thought was perfect for the job, only to find out they’re not the right fit at all, you’re not alone. This happens more often than you might think, and in today’s episode, we uncover exactly why MSPs keep attracting the wrong people—and more importantly, how to stop it from happening.  Julie shares a story from a recent conversation with an MSP owner who was struggling to find the right person for their team. They needed someone dynamic, open to change, and capable of taking the business forward. But instead, they kept attracting technically competent people who lacked the energy, drive, or communication skills needed to move the business in the right direction. It turns out that the problem wasn’t just about who was applying—it was about how they were advertising the role and conducting interviews.  One of the biggest takeaways from this conversation is that MSPs often think they have a solid recruitment process in place, but in reality, they’re unknowingly setting themselves up for failure. The way you write your job ads, the questions you ask in interviews, and even your expectations of what the role should be can all contribute to hiring the wrong person. Julie stresses the importance of being brutally honest about what you actually need—not just listing out generic skills, but defining the key behavioural competencies that will make someone successful in that role.  And this is where things often go wrong. Many MSP owners get caught up in salary bands and role levels—assuming that a certain salary should match a certain level of experience or leadership ability. But as Julie explains, an engineer who’s great at solving tickets and supporting clients might actually be more valuable than someone who aspires to be a manager but lacks the skills to lead. Promoting someone just because they want to earn more can backfire massively if they’re not suited for the responsibilities of the role.  This ties into another crucial point: MSPs need to stop seeing roles as a one-size-fits-all career ladder. Not every engineer should have to move into management to get a pay rise. The real question is—what does that person bring to the business? If they’re delivering value at their current level, they should be rewarded accordingly, rather than being forced into a leadership position they might not be suited for.  Another huge mistake MSPs make is relying too much on gut instinct in interviews. Julie emphasises the importance of having a structured scoring system—something as simple as a rating scale from A to E, where A means someone has extensive experience in a competency and E means they have none at all. When hiring, it’s not enough to simply like someone or feel they gave a “good answer.” You need to have clear, measurable criteria for what a good answer actually looks like.  We also touched on the use of DISC profiling in recruitment. While it’s tempting to say, “I need a D-profile leader” or “I need someone who’s a high C for precision and process,” Julie warns against hiring purely based on personality profiles. The key is to understand what the role really needs. For example, if your team is full of steady, cautious people who don’t challenge the status quo, then hiring someone with a bit more dynamism might be exactly what you need—even if it initially feels uncomfortable for the rest of the team.  This is where self-awareness comes in. MSP owners need to be aware not just of the role they’re hiring for, but also of their existing team dynamics. It’s about finding the right blend of personalities and skills that will push the business forward, rather than simply hiring people who “fit in” and won’t rock the boat.  Ultimately, the takeaway from this episode is clear: recruitment is not just about filling a vacancy—it’s about attracting the right people who will help grow your MSP. And that starts long before the interview. MSP owners need to spend time getting clear on what behaviours they need, write job descriptions that reflect this, and design interview processes that properly test for these competencies.  If you take one thing away from this episode, let it be this: stop relying on luck in your hiring process. Be deliberate. Define what good looks like. Test for it. Score it. And most importantly, be honest about what you really need in your MSP.  For further information on The MSP Growth Bootcamp starting on 1st April - Click HERE  Connect on LinkedIn HERE with Ian and also with Stuart by clicking this LINK  And when you’re ready to take the next step in growing your MSP, come and take the Scale with Confidence MSP Mastery Quiz. In just three minutes, you’ll get a 360-degree scan of your MSP and identify the one or two tactics that could help you find more time, engage & align your people and generate more leads.  OR   To join our amazing Facebook Group of over 400 MSPs where we are helping you Scale Up with Confidence, then click HERE  Until next time, look after yourself and I’ll catch up with you soon!