David Ells — xAPI and How to create a tech standard

[00:00:00] - IntroductionTom: Setting up today's discussion points: establishing new standards in software, using tech for effective learning, and the possible conflict between educational system administrators and students.Guest: David Ells, Managing Director of Open LMS, an open-source learning management system provider.Overview of David's background in online learning with over 15 years of experience, including work with the Department of Defense on the Experience API (XAPI). [00:01:09] - Early Career and Entry into Learning TechDavid: Shares his accidental entry into the learning tech field after earning a master's degree from MTSU.Initial job at Rustici Software leading to a career in educational technology.Discusses the meaningful impact of developing educational tools and the transformative power of education. [00:03:53] - Importance of Experiential Learning in HiringTom: Probes the significance of certifications versus experience in hiring.David: Emphasizes experience and practical application of knowledge as primary hiring factors over certifications. [00:05:35] - Introduction to XAPITom: Attempts to describe XAPI.David: Explains XAPI's basics—data format and communication protocol for learning events, allowing detailed tracking of learning activities across various platforms and contexts. [00:07:37] - XAPI's Vision and DevelopmentTom: Shares initial skepticism about XAPI but appreciates its potential.David: Discusses the broader vision of XAPI, including data mobility and creating verifiable credentials for lifelong learning records.Insights on corporate and academic applications and interoperability with different forms of learning content. [00:10:52] - Industry Adoption and Impact of StandardsDavid: Describes efforts to establish XAPI, parallels with existing industry standards, and the critical role of adoption.Historical context of SCORM and the unique challenges and opportunities it presented. [00:15:00] - Rustici Software’s Contribution to XAPITom: Questions about Rustici’s role in developing SCORM and transitioning to XAPI.David: Details Rustici’s research and industry contributions leading to XAPI’s development and its collaborative approach. [00:21:00] - Launching and Promoting XAPIDavid: Discusses the practical and marketing challenges in launching a new standard and gaining adoption.Realizations and reflections on what might have been done differently for better adoption rates. [00:28:10] - XAPI’s Broader Applications and LimitationsTom: Explores XAPI’s potential beyond learning contexts.David: Outlines XAPI’s flexibility, acknowledging both its strengths and weaknesses, and practical applications in data-driven contexts. [00:38:08] - Managing Data with WatershedTom: Discusses the potential overwhelming amount of data XAPI could collect.David: Describes the importance of filtering data to extract meaningful insights and the role of tools like Watershed in this process. [00:43:42] - Transition to Open LMSDavid: Talks about his move to Open LMS and the shift in focus to higher education.Differences between corporate and academic markets and the commonalities in learning management needs. [00:45:03] - Comparing Corporate and Higher Education LMS NeedsDavid: Discusses the evolving needs of universities to prepare students for careers and the corporate focus on skills-based training. [00:50:14] - Conflict Between Learners and AdministratorsTom: Expresses views on the inherent conflict between learners and administrators.David: Compares this to IT departments versus end-users, discussing the potential synergy with modern SaaS and cloud-based solutions. [00:58:16] - Future of EdTech and Learning SystemsDavid: Envisions a future where learning is skills-based and highly personalized, breaking the traditional degree format.Discusses the potential for more granular and modular learning experiences. [01:00:10] - Collaborations Between Academia and IndustryTom: Asks about formalizing partnerships between universities and industries.David: Discusses the potential for these partnerships, acknowledging existing informal pipelines and the mutual benefits. [01:02:17] - Personal Goals and Vision for Open LMSDavid: Shares his aspirations for the growth and success of Open LMS.Emphasizes the adaptability of Open LMS and its potential leadership in emerging educational trends. [01:02:54] - ConclusionTom: Thanks David Ells for the conversation.David: Expresses enjoyment and appreciation for the dialogue and Tom's writing.