Ross Douthat of the New York Times joins Jonah Goldberg to ruminate over the resilience of American democracy, Pope Leo XIV, postliberalism, and Douthat’s recent conversation with Peter Thiel. Plus: their thoughts on wokeness, the Antichrist, and performative apocalypticism. Show Notes:—Ross Douthat's podcast, "Interesting Times"—Ross Douthat's book, Grand New Party: How Republicans Can Win the Working Class and Save the American Dream—Jonah’s Los Angeles Times column, “Elon Musk’s America Party is a long shot" The Remnant is a production of The Dispatch, a digital media company covering politics, policy, and culture from a non-partisan, conservative perspective. To access all of The Dispatch’s offerings—including Jonah’s G-File newsletter, regular livestreams, and other members-only content—click here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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