Anti-Black/Jewish/Gay Voters Turned on Trump & He Did Better Than Ever

An in-depth analysis of the recent trend of far-right influencers like Nick Fuentes, Richard Spencer, and David Duke turning against Trump and the Republican Party. Learn why this exodus is actually strengthening the conservative movement and creating a more inclusive, successful political coalition. We examine how these influencers' personal failures contradict their ideological positions, why their vision of conservatism is based on progressive stereotypes rather than historical reality, and how their departure is making room for more effective leaders like Scott Pressler. This video explores: * The difference between healthy cultural pride and toxic ethno-nationalism * Why pluralistic societies historically outperform homogeneous ones * The importance of family success in validating political philosophy * How the Republican Party is becoming a "united network of clans" * Why competitive cooperation between different groups strengthens America * The contrast between building up versus tearing down other cultures A fascinating look at how the Republican Party is evolving and why its rejection of extremist elements is a sign of strength, not weakness. [00:00:00] Malcolm Collins: Hello, Simone. Today we are going to be talking about an interesting. Phenomenon, which is that individuals who have racist tendencies or who are skeptical about Jewish or gay people have been turning against Trump in droves recently. What is going on there? Yeah, it does seem like this trend. And and very aggressively. So it used to be that in every election cycle, your famous racist would have these moments where they might, you know, tongue in cheek, support a Democratic candidate to try to make them look bad. And so people couldn't say that they were supporting the Republicans. That is not what is happening anymore. They hate Trump and they are actively attempting to get their fan bases to vote against him. Simone Collins: Really? Because I was mostly assuming that these were tongue in cheek harmful. Malcolm Collins: No, and I'll, I'll provide a contrasting example here that is still tongue in cheek, which is Curtis Yarvin. But if you look at Nick Fuentes, [00:01:00] Richard Spencer, David Duke or Leather Apron Club, they have all done aggressively anti Trump messages before the election asking their followers not to vote. The gist of why they're doing this is they have this perception of , if this party cannot be actively and aggressively anti Jewish, racist and homophobic, then I'm just going to go home. And they don't like how far it's moved on those issues. Whereas, you know, we basically respond with. Speaker 11: I'm leaving. Speaker 10: Okay then, that was always allowed. Malcolm Collins: So, we're gonna go through every one of these individuals, what they've said about Trump recently go through some of the arguments that they've used for why they're leaving, and we're also going to discuss the effects of this on the Republican Party, largely really positive. Simone Collins: Okay. Malcolm Collins: Very, very positive. If the left could achieve this with their toxic, racist, [00:02:00] bigoted faction, that far rookies they would be able to win mainstream elections. So that's, that's one thing to note here. The second thing that we're going to talk about is all of these individuals who have this weird, I'd almost say sort of aesthetic cargo cult idea of what it means to be a conservative. None of them are above repopulation rate and none of them seem to have a happy marriage. Speaker 16: Jerry, marriage is a lot of work. We have to plan for a house, plan for a baby. Babies cost a lot of money. Speaker 15: What? Babies don't cost money, they make money. Especially those little white ones. Speaker 16: Look, you have to get serious about this. Speaker 15: Or what, huh? You gonna hit me? No, I'm not gonna hit Speaker 16: you, Jerry. Speaker 15: You don't wanna beat me or screw me? What kind of marriage is this? Bring a book. Malcolm Collins: And this is something I really want to focus on because these are not individuals. If they're coming to you and saying, I have this version of what America used to be and how America used to be great, that you can follow and learn from what I would point out is. Just from the evidence, you can see [00:03:00] they're wrong. Whatever they're selling you doesn't work and is short for this world. All right, so let's get it through. First, I would start with the counter example, Curtis Yarvin. Curtis Yarvin did do a don't vote for Trump piece. But what he really said was, You should, whoever we're voting for should be made dictator, and I'd take a Biden dictatorship over a Trump presidency. Ah, yeah. And he's like, look, I'm a monarchist, and I'm a radical monarchist. He doesn't hate the Simone Collins: player, he hates the game. Malcolm Collins: He doesn't hate the player, he hates the game. And you know what? Whatever. Like, that's a fun based point. I like Curtis a lot. And I think that he is a solid and truly independent intellectual that disagrees with us on tons of stuff. Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-3: Y Curtis works as a good counter example. Here is while he is someone who, if a presidential candidate was seen as being endorsed by him, their reputation could be hurt. He doesn't have an ounce of genuine. anti-gay bias. , [00:04:00] anti-Semitic bias or. Racial bias in any of his works, despite what some people would tell you. Simone Collins: He's Malcolm Collins: awesome. So that's, that's him. We're, technically he's saying I would actually prefer Trump, but like, I'm not going to put that in writing, given how it would, it could hurt his, his candidacy. Next, we have Nick Fuentes. Who is extremely anti immigrant, he's a Catholic integralist, he wants the United States to operate, basically he wants a globalist Catholic monarchy. To rule the world or a Catholic government of some sort, theocracy. You know, following the syllabus of errors written by Pope Pius IX. I don't want to go too into theology here. I find the integralist movement pretty interesting. Mostly I find it silly that you could want a globalist Catholic monarchy to rule the world, but then think our country can't survive with a mostly Catholic immigrant population which is what the Hispanic immigrants are, you're like, no, no, no, we can't survive with them. And it's like, well, They are the group that you say, like, you want ruling everything. If your internal divisions are so great already, I don't think your ultimate vision [00:05:00] is going to play out very well. But anyway, he said, I'm not a Republican and I don't care that much. And I'm not going to turn out. He said this on his, his live stream on rumble after the RNC event concluded, he said, I don't even really care. I'm not energetic. I'm not enthusiastic. I'm not leaving my house to vote, vote for what for JD Vance and Usher. I'm not voting for this. I'm not lending my credibility to this. He added. As a real conservative, as a real right wing individual, you could not force me to care about this. You could not bribe me to care about this. I don't care. I don't want to look at it anymore. So this is not like a like Curtis is saying, which is like veiled support, but like knowing this is him, like actually being pissed off at the Republicans. Let's go with Richard Spencer. I deeply regret voting and promoting Donald Trump in 2016. Wow. Now here we can begin to get into why these people hate him. And I think, Oh, [00:06:00] Oh, this is a really common thing you'll see across this. He says to the people of Iran, there are millions of Americans who do not want war. We do not hate you and we respect your nation and its history. After our traitorous elite is brought to justice, we hope to achieve peace, reconciliation, and forgiveness. Basically, they want the state of Israel destroyed. And they support anyone who's attempting to do that, whether it's Iran or Gaza or anything like that. And as such, they do not like that the main and Trump is As pro Israel as you get when I was in Israel, this is right after he moved the embassy there when everyone was like, Oh my God, you can't move the embassy to a Jerusalem. Like that's horrible. And it's going to cause all sorts of pain. And he's like, Yolo. He does it and Israel loves it. They're like broadcasting his face on everything. So, you know, obviously he doesn't give a flying F what these people take. And the new right generally does it. Most of the new right is fairly pro. Israel. We could get into why later in this. [00:07:00] Now, what did David Duke have to say? Well, David Duke said, I'm sorry, when I say pro Israel, I mean pro Jewish. A lot of people are like, oh, no, it's only Zionists. It's not being anti Jewish to be anti Israel. And then I point out, depending on the poll you're looking at, it's between 85 and 95 percent of Jews would be categorized as Zionists. And so if you're saying, Oh, I don't hate the Jews, I just hate 95 percent of Jews or like, I don't hate the Christians. I just hate the ones who think that Jesus Christ was the son of God or something like that. It's like, well, I mean, that's a pretty close to a perfect circle. And if you know Jewish history, you can understand why they might not feel comfortable in a state where they're a minority. But anyway the next here we have David Duke. So David Duke said, David Duke Simone Collins: is the KKK guy, Malcolm Collins: right? The guy who runs the KKK. Yeah. Simone Collins: Okay. Just want to make sure I I'm not, here's the, the other thing is, is. As, as people who are frequently accused of being adjacent to such people. I mean, I think Trump experiences too. They're often [00:08:00] insinuations that were related to people and I have no idea who they are, or I have no idea what this phrase means. They're like, Malcolm Collins: say you hate this person. I'm like, I don't know who this person is or what. Or they're like, this Simone Collins: sounds an awful like, like what this is, for example, when Trump was campaigning and he. Planned to have a speech at Madison, Madison Square Garden. Okay. Like really major venue. Okay. And we're like many people and, and suddenly the media is like, he's trying to recreate a, you know, what an easy, I rally that was in Madison Square Garden in 1940, it's like, How do you know this much obscure lore from pre World War II? Like this, and because you know, Malcolm Collins: at their house, there's like a an unregarded reporter's house. There's a secret room they open and it's full of Nazi memorabilia. I mean, yeah, like, Simone Collins: it just seems like the biggest aficionados of, of, of history and memory and like collectors of memorabilia and, and you know, aficionados of obscure facts are progressive people who use it for witch hunting purposes, or perhaps because they're [00:09:00] Racist ones. I don't know, but it's just so frustrating. So that's why I asked because honestly Malcolm Collins: Is these are people who are accused of being racist, I don't know if they're actually racist I haven't done time to think right because that's yeah I Simone Collins: mean a lot of people accuse us of being racist and here we are. So Malcolm Collins: I Simone Collins: don't know Malcolm Collins: adjacency to Trump was used as justification to argue Trump is racist, Simone Collins: right? Malcolm Collins: And these are people who I believe if they had been at an event or something like that might be the type of people who would make say black people or gay people or Jewish people going to that event feel uncomfortable. Simone Collins: And I Malcolm Collins: This is part of the key, and it's what we'll get to later, is this is the right woke, like the wokeism is the left mirror of this audience. If you go to an event, and you're a cis white male, these people will make you feel uncomfortable, they will harass you, they have really, really bad intentions. Good ties within the administration and can get into the administration and actually can make [00:10:00] laws and stuff like that. The right has taken this toxic faction, sucked out the venom and spit it in a toilet. Simone Collins: Like, Malcolm Collins: they themselves now feel uncomfortable going to right wing rallies. And that's why if you look at this last cycle where Kamala was trying to argue Trump's racist, Trump's all this, when black people went to his rallies, when gay people went to his rallies, they're like, wait a second, I f*****g love being here. Simone Collins: And Malcolm Collins: not only that, one of the, the lies that you will hear from this audience about themselves is that they are the foot soldiers and like Trump needs to like appeal to them to win election cycles. Right? Like there's people actually that's not true. Who is our foot soldiers? Who's no, who's, who's our real foot soldiers? Scott Pressler, He said he'd come back and today he did last time Malcolm Collins: Scott Pressler, the gay is our real foot soldier. Simone Collins: Scott Pressler. Knocking with the Amish. Yeah. Just like a bunch of really cool doers. Yeah. And I just, [00:11:00] I, I genuinely, no, I did, I did once have a conversation with someone who turned out to, no, two people, I can think of two people in my entire life. Who I've spoken, no three, because there was one childhood girl who was like in the fifth grade who like actually were definitely racist. But also I'm like, where are these racists? Like most people are, it's just weird to me. They're just Malcolm Collins: incredibly rare. They don't. And you can see this like they're out Simone Collins: there in droves and they're everywhere. And they're like, Malcolm Collins: no, this is actually a really important point. They do not. And you can see this in the data exist. In the republican voting base at a differential level than within the democratic voting. Yes. Yes. And here I'm talking about mainstream old school. I hate blacks racist. Not like a redefinition of racism around wokeism, which I also believe is accurate, but I'm just saying like the, I hate blacks type racist. The, I hate Jews type racist. The, I hate gates type. They actually vote for Democrats at the same rate as they vote for Trump. And [00:12:00] you can see this in the data. So I will note here that what you're seeing is one They're incredibly rare in reality in the same way that actual far rookies are where they're rare in reality But the Democratic Party has made their rallies their events their protests like, like honey to a fly for these incredibly rare rope variety humans, whereas Trump rallies have become very, very toxic to these types of people, and they don't want to be there. They don't want to have anything to do with it anymore. They see him as a traitor. And that is. Why I think in large part he's been so successful at breaking this Democrat narrative that he's a racist , because like, for example, the Republicans have this narrative like Kamala's woke, Kamala's not woke, and we'll be talking about this in a future episode, but she has not scared away the wokes yet. She hasn't put out, you know, the The onion to the vampires to get them out of the building yet. Trump did [00:13:00] that was the racist. And we'll be talking about how he did that so successfully. So David Duke, head of the KKK said. I endorse for President of the United States Green Party candidate, Dr. Jill Stein. Although Dr. Jill and I obviously have our differences on important issues, she is the only candidate who speaks clearly against the war in the Middle East. He acknowledged that his endorsement of a far left candidate would, quote unquote, shock some of his supporters, but said his decision is based on, quote, what is good for white European people as well as all of humanity, end quote. So, I mean, these are not, like, Roundabout endorsements. These are who these People want to win, and it is for one reason. They want the Jewish state gone. So, and this has actually hurt a lot of them now that the Republicans have become the pro Israel party, and Dems have become the anti Israel party. Even though the Dem leadership didn't get this particular memo. They'd do a lot better in the polls if they did, but I think they're afraid of their donor class. And so, But here I'd [00:14:00] add another person here who's really interested in this Ann Coulter. So, Ann Coulter is not, like, people will be like, Oh, she's a racist because she said this stuff about Mexicans. She almost married a black guy. Like, she's not a racist in a generic term, right? But she also falls into this category of having, I, I, I guess I'd call it an ethno nationalist bent. To some of her talking points around Hispanics. Speaker 4: Are there any suggestions how we might help? How about we get rid of all the Mexicans? Malcolm Collins: And I think that things start to fall into place when we study Ann Coulter's mindset as to why these people don't have families. But we'll get to that in just a second. Going to shelve that for just a second. But she has says about Trump that she sees him as an awful, awful person and that she can't trust him as far as she can throw him. Now, the person who I think does the best in terms of calmly explaining all of this is Leather Apron Club. Leather Apron Club has [00:15:00] a anti semitic and anti gay, I'd say, bias to a lot of the stuff he puts out there. But I should be clear, when a lot of people say those words, they mean them negatively. And I mean those words no more negatively than I would say that Simone and I have a bias, a pro Jewish bias in our stuff and a pro normal gay bias in our stuff. And just as that leads to some bias in the way that he interprets things, it leads to bias in the way we interpret things, but it is because of that separate perspective that he has. That is so divorced from my own, that I have actually gained a lot of insight into the world by watching his videos. Cause he just He sees the world so differently than I do and I generally respect him as an intellectual. Speaker 17: Now I need a volunteer. Oh, come on. Anyone will do. Speaker 18: Ah! [00:16:00] My eyes! It's burning! You fool! Never set yourself apart from the crowd. Don't you know there's a cult out there? Drag him away and put him with the others. Malcolm Collins: But while I respect him as an intellectual, I also am not sad to see him leave the Republican party. And I am not sad to see people like him leave the Republican party because it is with the exit of him that we get the entrance of genuine. Human stars like Scott Presley you know, cleaning up cities that are trashy, just getting out there and fixing things, getting out the Amish vote, likely winning Pennsylvania for Trump could have been critical in winning the election. And if we adopt these types of people's ideology, which you'll see, you know, he wants us to be harsher on gay people and stuff like that, not support gay marriage. It just wouldn't work. 70 percent of Americans now support gay marriage. same sex marriage. And of young republicans, 18 to 29, 64 percent say they support same sex marriage. So like his perspective couldn't even win was like next generation's republicans. [00:17:00] We are not losing anything as these people leave the room. I'm sorry about that, but we're not. And, and it's not just that, I note here, it's also that these people are just like much less pleasant than Scott Pressler and the normal gays. As they exit and the normal gays enter and the ext The party Simone Collins: becomes a lot more fun. Yeah, Malcolm Collins: it's a more fun party. I'm sorry guys, like, you were cool, I kind of enjoyed our intellectual debates but as you leave the room, like, things are getting better. Scott Presler, frankly, is a more decent human being than people like Nick Fuentes. And, and a lot of these other people who we see, you know, they're not going out cleaning up cities. They're not getting out doing the ground game. Simone Collins: So I think, yeah, I think now also we are entering an age in which hopefully, hopefully there's interest in building up rather than tearing down. And I'm being selective in what I say here, because obviously there's a huge interest in [00:18:00] tearing down the rotten old building. Broken elements of our society, government and businesses, but then that a lot of that interest in tearing down what doesn't work is driven by a very deep and optimistic desire to build up. And it's so much more fun talking with these people who are interested. In the the post apocalypse rebuild rather than just the it's the apocalypse. Everything is terrible I hate everyone these people. So Malcolm Collins: they're they're fighting for an aesthetic vision. It's basically a cargo cult They had this idea of what conservatism used to be maybe because they were like raised by like a single mother And they never met a real conservative and they never had a real man there to tell them like actually, you know This is what conservatism in america is and a splinter faction of the conservative movement took over some of the party's policy for a while. And it was a splinter faction. People can be like, no, the theocrats were always the mainstream. They were not with what authority do I say this with the authority that [00:19:00] my grandfather was a long serving conservative congressman that my dad was a finalist. One of the final two candidates for two senior positions within the Reagan administration specifically being the, the guy who did connections between the state department and the defense department. And when he was running for that, the guy who kept him out became the no name person at the time, Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone): Pat Buchanan. Malcolm Collins: and he didn't like my dad because my dad had more nuanced opinions on things like abortion and he wanted a strict line when that wasn't even a mainstream conservative issue yet. And I think that he, you know, that sort of shows how they took over for a period. When the, you know, average conservative voter was never about all of that and they took over for a bit and now they've been kicked out, but they're acting like, and these people who grew up without strong conservative influences in our life we've talked about this in some of our videos on Andrew Tate, where Andrew Tate is someone who has never had a masculine influence in their life. Idea of what a masculine influence looks like and because of that they end up following if you think of the movie gladiator, I think a good differentiation here [00:20:00] is are you the emperor or are you maximus? Are you the person who is okay? Was diversity was in their ranks who people want to follow because they're going out on the street Um like scott presler who's absolutely a maximus character going out and saying There's trash on the streets. I'm going to clean it up because if not me, who does, or are you the person who spends your day on YouTube Simone Collins: gatekeeping? Are you, are you tearing down or are you building up? Malcolm Collins: Yeah, like we've tried to build with the Collins Institute, an alternate school system. We try to build things with the EA stuff. We've been funneling money to lots of organizations doing really cool research. We have been building up. Where a lot of these individuals just focus on gatekeeping and basically just masturbating this conservative aesthetic basically in a corner. And so I think as people like us come into the movement, people like Scott Presley come into the movement, they're leaving the movement. What we've seen is one, we can win with this alliance and win big. We're better off without them. Simone Collins: Oh yeah, Malcolm Collins: and [00:21:00] people can be like, well, what about the Bible? And I'm like, bro, have you even like read the Bible? Like the Bible is actually pretty clear that it is not about Sharia law. That's like, these people want like Muslim nonsense. Okay, the Bible says render under Caesar what is Caesar's. Okay, it is explicitly argues for a separation of church and state and no legislating morality at the state level. The state is not supposed to do that if you're a real Christian. And if you want to give up Christianity, just do what Tate did and become a Muslim and whatever. At least you're being honest then. But anyway, I'm gonna play the Leather Apron Club clip here. And I think he makes a really strong argument from his perspective. Speaker: Don't vote. And no, right off the bat, this is not a satire video. I'm earnestly telling you that it may not be in your best interest to vote this election cycle. I'm mostly talking to conservatives and right wingers here, but to vote for a candidate is to ascent to their platform, to signal to those running their campaign that you approve of the messaging that they have put out. Speaker 2: Our message to gay Americans tonight is this. [00:22:00] You're free to marry who you want, if you want, without the government standing in your way. And I think that, frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if me and Trump won just the normal gay guy vote. Oh, sure. Because, again, they just wanted to be left the hell alone. Speaker: But what should you do if, like so many other conservatives, you see the Republican Party shifting ever further away from real conservative values? It's not at all an original thought to say that modern day conservatives are the liberals of ten years ago, and for good reason. What about if you're an anti war conservative? Trump has repeatedly signaled his undying support for Israel at a time when tensions are close to boiling over in the region. Simone Collins: Okay, and what exactly is, what's the gist of his argument? Malcolm Collins: The gist of his argument is he can't support a party that supports things like gay rights and that has normal gays in leading positions was in it, and that has somebody like J. D. Vance who says that normal gay men will vote for Trump. So he's like, Simone Collins: he's against the Catholic Church too? I mean Malcolm Collins: He's against, look, he has this [00:23:00] vision of what a conservative is that is based on what progressives think a conservative is and not what conservatives think. Isn't Simone Collins: that funny? Yeah. Yeah. There is a group of people, like you say, the cargo cult phenomenon, who believe conservatism is the stereotype presented. By progressives of conservatives, and I would say that there are progressives who exist on the opposite end of that, who are the woke pantomime that That the right demonizes I Malcolm Collins: absolutely agree But the difference is is that in the progressive party and we'll be talking about this in the next video they Have taken the reins of power and are the people at all the events in the yeah, right, right, right Simone Collins: They they they turn it into a caricature And they completely lean into the point of absurdity and then they're rewarded and given a promotion whereas when that's turned into a pantomime and taken to a place of absurdity by the right You It, it falls off a cliff and is no longer a part of the right. [00:24:00] It's not on the landmass anymore. Malcolm Collins: They're like, wait, this isn't what I thought I was. I thought I was joining what my single mom. Yeah, like where, Simone Collins: where are the tiki torches? Why aren't you handing out the tiki torches in the khaki pants? And we're like, well, we don't have them. This was never real. And then they leave and then we're fine. And so that's great. Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And I think that there was a while where Trump didn't understand how to burn these people so hard. And in this election, he's done a very good job of surrounding himself with like Scott Presler surrounding himself with people who are like, Hey, you guys need to knock this s**t the f**k off. People like us or, or, or rising parts of the new right. Who are like, yeah, we're not playing any of this nonsense. People like Elon, who the right will be like, did you know that he's banning people for antisemitic stuff? And like he says free speech and it's like, yeah, well, I mean, we mean free speech with You know, in [00:25:00] reason, and you guys have passed out of reason, and so f**k off. We don't want to play, like, we don't want to play this game with you. Simone Collins: You're not Malcolm Collins: useful to us. You're not useful to passing an agenda when humanity is dealing with very short timelines. Civilization is crumbling, and you're in the corner masturbating with something that can't win because 70 percent of the electorate hates the idea. Like, like, what are you thinking? You don't even care about winning anymore. It's just about feeling cool yourself. And I think that that's the core thing that everyone got sick of these people for is they were pushing ideas that can't win elections. Now I also want to talk about them going extinct. Because that's the other thing about these people is is they tell people, well, fertility rates are falling civilizations falling apart. Here is something that used to work. And so I'm going to do that. Now, I point out to them as a student of history. No, what you're doing isn't something that used to work. It was never a thing. It's a weird cargo cult that you have created off of what Hollywood said, conservative culture was in the 1950s, even though it [00:26:00] never was that Simone Collins: my Malcolm Collins: granddad was conservative culture in the 1950s. Excuse me. I think I know what conservatives represented in the 1950s. And my granddad, I even remember. What he told me about Jewish people growing up. Simone Collins: Okay. What did he tell you? Malcolm Collins: Oh, he goes, you know, there's some people in my church, cause he was a very strict Baptist who say that Jews are going to hell and he's like, but one of my best friends is Jewish and I know Jewish people and Jewish people are good people. And I don't believe that a good God sends good people to hell. And This, this was a devout Baptist. Okay. And so that might've influenced some of my beliefs around Jewish people. Like I, I believe in multiple true religions, like strict followings of both Christian and Jewish faith. Yeah. Accurate. But you got to commit, Simone Collins: but there are many ways you can commit and, and, and, and different commitments work better or best for different people. Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And I, and I think [00:27:00] that they think that this was, this wasn't what conservatives were back then. And it was what conservatives were back then. They just been lied to by the media. And they're like, well, what about the Klan? Well, the Klan was never a conservative movement. The Klan was a democratic movement. It was supported the Democrats and they're like, what about the party flip? The party's never fully flipped. There was a slight flip within one era, but there was never a full party flip the party flip that people talk about around the Klan and stuff like that. That was no bigger than the party flip that happened with the trump election. So you could even say, okay, well, then they flipped back since then. Because trump is flipped with the parties fight for but what I also want to point out here is is if you follow these people this rotten deviation of of the perfect Christian lifestyle that they claim to be pitching doesn't work. Okay, this rotten idea. Of white ethno nationalism in the United States. Now I'm actually okay with ethno [00:28:00] nationalism in like European countries. Cause like, whatever, like that's actually their country. But in the United States, no f**k off. But, but the cultures that they're pushing for that don't seem to work. So you look at something like Richard Spencer, right? Two kids divorced. Okay. Nick Fuentes. He's a pretend virgin. Speaker 20: Virginity. Remember, a virgin body has the morning sheen of an unopened flower. And the freshness of secret springs. It's your choice, ladies. Hold on to your glorious ripe fruit, or Comprende? Malcolm Collins: By that, what I mean is he's one of these like reclaimed his virginity virgins. Speaker 20: Maybe I shouldn't coach, Wolf. Jerry, if you're worried about your past, don't. This is a great opportunity to start fresh. Even though this morning I thumbed a ride and made a little lunch money? Jerry, I'm giving you a chance to reclaim your virginity. Speaker 21: Don't think about sex, don't think about sex, don't think about sex. Hey, Jerry. [00:29:00] Lou! I was wondering. Wondering what? Hmm? If you could get me behind the dumpster, hike up my skirt and pound home. Well, I'm a virgin now, and this is one blushing rose you are not gonna deflower. Malcolm Collins: Now, he doesn't say this publicly, but I have a pretty good authority that he's not actually a virgin and that he was conceived with IVF. So he's Catholic ish. Simone Collins: So just for the record, I've met actually at this point, several pretty devout Catholics who weren't informed that they were conceived via IVF until he was born. Way later in their lives. Their parents just didn't tell them. So it doesn't surprise me if that would be true. It's not at all unusual. Malcolm Collins: It's a weird new Catholic thing, as we point out. The Catholic Church came up with this 200 years ago. , Pope Pius IX wrote the Syllabus of Errors, added this. He's the guy who did the ripping the penises off all the statues. None of the great Catholic leaders in history thought this. Augustus of Hippo didn't think this. St. Thomas Aquinas didn't think this. It's, it's this weird new thing that, you know, It's gonna die out when 60 percent of [00:30:00] the population in the developed world is infertile by 2060, which is what we already see in the data. Anyway, so Nick Fuentes, yeah, okay, Nick Fuentes, if your way of living works so well, where's your wife? You know, why did Don't you get a job? Get a goddamn job, Al. You got a negative attitude. That's what's stopping you. You gotta get your act together. Malcolm Collins: okay, next, David Duke divorced two daughters. So below repopulation rate denounced him. Couldn't find anything on Alex. Well, that's what he goes by the leather napkin club guy. But he's never mentioned a wife and kids. It doesn't I don't know. You know, you can tell a lot of about a person just looking at their face. He does not scream dad to me. He screams kid. Oh, and people often undergo physiological changes when they become a Simone Collins: hormonal profile change that dudes go through when they become dads is it's real, it's real. Dad bod is real. Dad face is real. Malcolm Collins: Well, well, dad face is real because you're, you're [00:31:00] changing, you know, and I, I, I would probably be able to tell dad faces was like an 80 percent circuit. This likelihood. Simone Collins: I got to say, by the way, Malcolm, Fatherhood looks really good on you. Like when I compare pictures of you from when I first met you, when I, I already thought you were banging hot, but like now you're more chiseled. Malcolm Collins: What is going on? It's the opposite of what I expected. Well, I mean, that happens to dads. This is very dad phase. Simone Collins: Well, normally the stereotype of dad bod is beer guts. It's softer. And I don't like, I don't like who guts are softer, as you know. Well, I know. Malcolm Collins: I agree. I agree. But I think that there is. A softness to the face of people who aren't fathers that you don't see in fathers, which you will see in pictures before and after I became a dad. And I think that people actually sort of like instinctually know this difference. They will look at online influencers who are dads versus ones who aren't dads. And the ones who aren't dads come off as, even if they're older, like a Nick Fuentes or [00:32:00] something like that, as like plucky youngsters. But the dads, you see them and you're like, Oh, that's a dad. Like they bring like a, a something to the room. That's a little different. And I don't know what it is. I actually think it comes off as a, not an authority, but almost sort of a stodgy acceptance of reality. Which is best represented in something like the person you expect to tell a dad joke. The world is not as edgy to them anymore. And they're not interested in being edgy, they're interested in what works. And I think this is why the Bible, and I'll put the exact quote here in editing Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-1: The saying is trustworthy. If anyone aspires to the office of an overseer. He desires a noble task. This is an overseer of the church, like a Bishop or a church leader or a preacher. Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband to one wife, a sober-minded self-controlled and respectable and hospitable person able to teach. So you [00:33:00] must be the husband to one wife. That's it. It's not vague. I love it. When I go to Catholic things on this, they go, it was. It was a metaphor. The f*****g metaphor. No, it wasn't a f*****g metaphor. You guys just ignore the Bible. Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-2: Or it'll say, well, it says a husband to one wife. What it means by this is that you can't have more than one wife, but it's totally okay to have no wives. What it definitely doesn't give mean is that everyone in a church leadership position should have no wives. Right. That's that's super obvious. And this is why, when I look at the various Christian denominations, I think that something like Catholicism is much less Christian than something like Mormonism, because at least Mormons have like a good reason for why they ignore parts of the Bible. They can be like, well, I got some new scripture here. , I might disagree with that new scripture. But at least they got a reason. Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-4: I would note here just because I expect some people to bring this up. They're like, well, what about Corinthian feminine? Where it says, well, in some ways a single person might be better at preaching than a non single person. And I would point out [00:34:00] here that the line from Timothy I was laying out there is . About requirement's requirement's for a role now what's the preface to the part in Corinthians. It says now as a concession, not a command, I say this. So. What here he's saying is well, in some ways it might be okay to be single in these narrow circumstances. Not that this is a thing that a leadership position was in the church should have. Malcolm Collins: Says very explicitly unmarried men should not be allowed to be preachers in the church now a lot of people might wonder how catholics square that I don't f**k whatever you want to say But this is in the bible unmarried men are not supposed to be people you take advice from by the way, I went to look look at more of this because I heard when I was looking up. I think it was david duke his wife divorced him and went for the guy who founded storm front a friend of his sad as well. So this was Steven Donald black. So I was like, okay, fun guy about it. Stormfront one kid has denounced him. Then you look at and culture, for example, no kids. Not only no kids, but she was engaged 10 [00:35:00] times. Apparently I'm like, that's a culture. That's Simone Collins: wrong. Yeah. When it's one of those things when, if you call everyone else an a*****e, it probably means you're the a*****e. You know, yeah, I'm not right there Malcolm Collins: here. What I'd say. And my take away from all of this is, is that the reason why these people have resorted to this. More, I guess I'd say like ethnic centric philosophies in response to what they see as like low white fertility rates because they don't have a cultural solution to fix that. And so all they can do is do things like close the borders to try to maintain the purity of their region in the same way, like the South Koreans did, but like, clearly, it's not working out well for the South Koreans. If, for example, like let's say, suppose Ann Coulter is like, , I am concerned. about this American culture going extinct, right? And so I want to keep out Hispanic people from entering this culture. The [00:36:00] problem is, is that if she's not having kids, it's not the Mexicans who made her have no kids. Like the number of Hispanic people in this country had nothing to do with the fact that none of her engagements worked out, had nothing to do with the fact that she hasn't even been able to like, Use a sperm donor to get pregnant has nothing to do with the fact that she hasn't even adopted, you know these are all choices that she has made or The result of the culture that she has adopted being a non functioning I Simone Collins: I want to I want to talk about the line between Toxic ethno nationalism that's just destructive and pointless and hateful versus cultural pride breeding friendly competition. So one of the reasons we talk about, for example, Israel having such a great birth rate, despite being modern and gender egalitarian and prosperous and highly educated is that they have this feeling of otherness. They have this strong sense of cultural pride. Now they're [00:37:00] not trying to shove out others. They're not, I wouldn't say they hate on others, but they're definitely proud of who they are. And I'm sure that internally they will laugh at point out and criticize others. And where's, where's the line between what I would call sportsman like rivalry, where you're not hateful towards someone, you just dunk on them the same way that you would dunk on a rival football team. Versus that kind of hateful. Oh, no, I'm not dunking on them. I want a final solution to them. Like what, where's the line? Because I think that you need to have that healthy competition and that internal pride for a group, be it cultural, Or or even industrial or, you know, nationalistic and, and then, you know, and pronatalism. Malcolm Collins: Well, I think the line is, is, is clear and bold. So the modern conservative movement is a united network of clans. That is what America is now. It's the united clans. And that's what America always [00:38:00] was. That's what the different states were. It was a , United group of different cultures working to our common cause that competed against each other And I think one of the things that the left gets wrong is they think you can't have pride in your clan while still Ultimately being part of a united clan based network and a sci fi universe. I think does a very good job of this because I've been playing a game in this universe recently. You guys should check it out. If you like video games, I've been loving it is mech warrior clans. Which is about the clans who would come back and attack the inner sphere and everything like this. And this is a sci fi world far in the future where every one of the clans that makes up the clan system. Is very distinct. They have their own cultural practices. They have their own cultural identity. They have some level of own internal governance system. They kill each other. Occasionally they get into fights occasionally, but there is a system of rules that all of them obey in these conflicts and you can say, Oh, well, [00:39:00] I mean, this is like some new American thing. No, in it. Every period that Western civilization has thrived. We have relied on this mechanism. Look at the ancient Greek city states. You had the clans, which were the city states, you know, Athens, Florida, Thebes, et cetera, who would compete against each other. Sometimes it's sort of ritualized competitions like the Olympics, sometimes in direct conflict. But they always knew the true enemy was the barbarians, the outsiders, the people outside of the clan network. You look at. The great period of European history, the clans, the Crusader kings they would fight amongst each other, they would have ritualized combat things, they'd have other ritualized, formalized ways of competing, but when a crusade was called, they all knew what the other was. It was the same with the Muslim . Kingdoms during their great period this system of united clans is the way that any of you can watch our one civilization video The one civilization works best [00:40:00] We work best when you have people with different philosophies i. e hypotheses about how to live but being able to have pride in those hypotheses and competing against others. You can look at our ribbing of stuff like Catholic philosophy on this, right? Like we rib on Catholics all the time, but there is not like a genuine animosity in that ribbing. I wouldn't say that we should keep Catholics out of the country or that, you know, like, like anything like that. And we actually take the exact opposite perspective of that when we talk about it. And I think we as a world need to get back to a perspective where I can say, I have pride in who I am. And I, as I hypothesis think that my culture is better than yours, but that is only proven. By how many kids I have and how many of those kids stay in that culture and how much money I make. When I say how much money I make, I mean my ability to contribute to the economy, right? I wouldn't consider clans that live off the state to have any value to the system. Simone Collins: So you're, you're open to the potentiality that you're wrong. [00:41:00] Malcolm Collins: Yes, I'm open to the potentiality. I'm wrong. And these people aren't when they close the borders. It's in a way saying, and I do think that we should close the borders to low skilled immigrants. I think that's just like a no duffing. As my grandfather said, he said, you can't have it. Heavy social services and porous borders. You have to choose one. I believe that this, this has nothing to do with Hispanic people or anything like that. It's just in common sense. And since we can't get rid of all the social services our country offers, we have to close the borders. It's the only solution. Otherwise, we're going to disproportionately draw low skilled people in who want to live off of the social services that we have that are disproportionately higher than those in their birth country. So, okay, like that's a normal thing to want, but these people know, they're afraid of the way our culture may change. And the reason they're afraid of that is they recognize, and I think rightfully so, that their iterations of our culture are unable to motivate fertility. And we'll talk about this in a future video, because I want to do a whole video on this, but [00:42:00] pluralistic cultures Are intrinsically strong cultures. Simone Collins: Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So I guess the other losing element of this is in response to encountering hardship and low fertility, their response is tear down other cultures and not fix yourself from within, which is one reason why one, we're really skeptical of. Of groups that are trying to impose their will on other groups and like grow that way, basically grow by forcing conversion versus groups that are breaking off on their own, innovating and creative ways and finding ways to just internally be great and just do better. Malcolm Collins: Yeah, yeah. When this is, I think, a core difference between people with these two mindsets, how they look at other groups. So, somebody with one of these mindsets, they might look at a group like the Jews and be like, Oh, Jews are doing uniquely well on tests. They are making a uniquely high amounts of money. They [00:43:00] are you know, winning a unique amount of Nobel Prizes. We should cut them down. Like we need to, we need to stop this from happening because it's not our people succeeding. Prevent them from Simone Collins: being promoted, make it harder for them to get into good schools. Yes. Malcolm Collins: Yes. Whereas you have people like us who see this and we're like, Oh, what are the Jews doing? Right. What can we learn from? You could look at this was like, it's so funny that these people who would degrade things like the BLM movement aren't able to see their own similarity there where the BLM movement is like, well, if white people are earning more money or achieving more, they must be stealing it from us instead of being like, well, you know, maybe you have some cultural problems you can work on and you can look at some aspects of quote unquote white culture and try to adopt it to do better yourselves. You know, even when you control, for example, for wells, like we're just talking about, like, Problems. For example, even if you control for wealth, homicide rates are higher in black communities. Like, so that's a cultural thing. Well, it's either that or it's a genetic thing. And [00:44:00] I'm not even going to take like, I don't think it is. I think it's a cultural Simone Collins: thing, Malcolm Collins: right? Those are like the two real explanations there. And or you could say maybe it's a there's not a police enough police presence in those areas saying and then it's like, oh, so you want more police in black neighborhoods? Basically, there's no answer to this that works well for progressives. And so it's one of these inconvenient facts. But, but I think that, that we can learn from people who are doing things right. And Jews, Jews aren't just out competing us, they're also outbreeding us. They have more kids. Even secular Jews are above their population rate. Fertility in Israel. Like, obviously, this is something I should be learning from, but if I'm in this tear down instead of, and this is what I mean, like, strengths leads to pluralism, if you believe that you understand where anyone's out competing, you're like, okay, I understand they're out competing because of this, this, and this, which is like what this channel is about, and I'm going to steal those parts of their cultural technology, and I actually think that their cultural technology is flawed here, here, here, and here, and I can beat them [00:45:00] It is my belief in my cultural superiority, the culture that I'm building for this family, that leads me to be pluralistic because I know that in an open and fair competition, we will win or at least be one of the major competitors. That's also what leads me to a lot of people can be like, why are you so filial semantic? Because they're winning. Simone Collins: Yeah. Malcolm Collins: Like you're Simone Collins: interested in those who have winning strategies. Malcolm Collins: Yes, they're going to matter in the future. It's useful to build Klan alliances with them. Bill, don't be like the Nazis and kick out all your smart scientists because you know what those, sorry, your Jewish scientists, this is a bit like that Biden line there because you know what happens, they're going to build a big ass f*****g bomb and drop it on your face one day. So don't do that. Work with the people who are different from you and find ways to work together because that is when I think it's one thing that [00:46:00] makes the Jews like really good, persistent allies for any cultural group is they religiously don't have a dogma to convert your kids. Whereas the wokes do a lot of these like Catholic integralists do their highlandering it. They're telling me I'll come for your kids one day. We can never really be allies. And so every alliance is like a Fairweather Friend Alliance and it's not what works well for western civilization as we have seen the period of western civilization where we had one of the lowest advancements like of our golden ages was the Roman period because it's too homogenous. Simone Collins: Yeah, well, and here's what I've noticed most about the super high fertility Catholics, which are not really represented by the Pope with the central bureaucracy. They're converting incredibly well, and they have a very high birth rate. So they have the perfect combo. But the only way they're doing that is by having incredible communities and cultural amenities that make it a no brainer for anyone who believes in having kids and and [00:47:00] being there in the future to join them because they're great. They love them. You know, they have the best networks and referrals and support groups and just other families to hang out with. So you convert because they're better. And that's, that is the way to go is you attract people and you boost your own birth rate just by converting. Imparting fitness, which is exactly what culture is supposed to do. Malcolm Collins: Exactly. Well, and I, and I, I do love this vision of the new right. It's a United clans. When we show up, you know, you've got your Hasidic Jews, you've got your Mormons, you've got your Catholics, you've got your weirdos like us or Elon who have these weird, like, technophilic beliefs. And we all look different. We all have slightly different takes on things. And what we agree on is we want freedom of thought. We want our kids to be safe. We want a basically functional government. And we want the freedom to be different from each other. And that's something the left can't [00:48:00] offer. When you go to their events, it is one way of being. You are allowed to have a different skin color and that's it. You go to our events. Hasidic Jews think nothing like us. Catholics think nothing like us. We, we rib on them all the time, you know. We rib on Hasidic Jews. I've called Hasidic Jews witches before. Not all Hasidic Jews, specifically the, the group that I am less favorable to is the Habad group, but that's a big portion of the Hasidic Jews who would be watching this. That video, yeah, you know. I got some calls after that one. And, but they know when I say that, I'm not saying like I, Hate them or anything like that. I'm saying, look, I've read the same text you do, and I have a different interpretation of Simone Collins: them, Malcolm Collins: Even within a Jewish context, even within a Jewish theological context. I have a different interpretation, and that's fine. An active theological discussion is what makes. strong. All Simone Collins: right. Malcolm Collins: Love you, Simone. [00:49:00] I, I absolutely love, and we were so lucky that all of these individuals signaled that all of the racists and all of the anti Semites and all the homophobes came out and said, we aren't voting for Trump and our followers aren't voting for Trump. And so we got to see what happened when they didn't vote for Trump when they didn't come out to the rallies when they weren't excited. And you know what happened? We did better than ever. Thanks guys. Yeah. Thanks. I'm happy with you. Go join the Democrats. They're more like you anyway. Yeah. They've got their own ethnic hierarchy. Pretty racist. Yeah. Yeah. So, deal with it. You'll Speaker 5: When me and Brad first met, I didn't think we'd get along, but turns out we kind of agree on everything. Your racial identity is the most important thing! Everything should be looked at through the lens of race! Jinx, you owe me a coke. We both think minorities are a united group who think the same and act the same. And vote the same. You don't want to lose your black card. Sorry, I don't know, I just think we should Roll back discrimination law so we can hire Basie and race against Jinx! Now you owe me a Coke. Hey, tell him what you told me yesterday. White actors should only do voices for white cartoon characters. I've been saying that for years. Simone Collins: feel Malcolm Collins: [00:50:00] fantastic there. Simone Collins: You'll get on like bread and butter. Malcolm Collins: Mmm. Speaker 5: Black people should only shop at black businesses. I guess the only thing we really disagree about is I think white people are the root of all evil. But what did I tell you, though? If we can narrow that down to a certain group of tiny headed white people, I think we can come to an understanding. Technically, I don't consider Jewish people white because Neither do I. But Simone Collins: All right. I love you. Malcolm Collins: I love you too. And this is the game I'm talking about kids, family, wife, love these people never ever ever take an influencer seriously. Who's giving you life advice that doesn't have a good relationship with their spouse and kids. Simone Collins: If you care about having a spouse and kids. Malcolm Collins: I believe this very strongly. Like, that's your goal of your goal is to have a surviving culture. You could, yeah. Then you have Simone Collins: to, you have to look at life advisors who you can look at somebody like Malcolm Collins: Steven Crowder, right? Like, okay. He has a lot of good ideas about culture. I think he's, I thought he was a competent person, but if he [00:51:00] fails at his marriage, then I can't trust anything. He says about the way that women should be treated about the way. Oh yeah. No, no, Simone Collins: no, no. Yeah, no, he's completely, he failed. Yeah, Speaker 15: You don't wanna beat me or screw me? What kind of marriage is this? Bring a book. Malcolm Collins: Yeah, he failed um and and We need to admit that whatever he thought about, you know The way you source a partner the way you date the way we should act sexually the way we should act around pornography the way We should act about all that I can throw out the door because like clearly he doesn't know what he's talking from a functionalist perspective and some people are from like non functionalist cultures. So this isn't gonna land with him They're like, but I like his aesthetics. I'm like, okay. Well I I my belief is you will go extinct You I might be wrong, but the data says I'm right. So bye bye. Bye bye, Nick Fuentes at The World. It was cute while you were here. This little thing you put on, it was cute. But it's over for you. And it's over for people like you. Simone Collins: No, it was cute, but it was wrong. Speaker 6: Heh, heh. Isn't that cute? But [00:52:00] it's wrong! Malcolm Collins: Isn't that cute? But it's wrong! Simone Collins: I love you. Love you, Malcolm. We're Speaker 8: I'm telling you, do a video of it, okay? Okay, tell me about Trick or Treat then. Trick or Treat is the part where you eat it. You tell Trick or Treat, Trick or Treat, smell my feet. I want mac and cheese. You want mac and cheese? Okay, it's Trick or Treat, smell my feet, tell me something good to eat. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit basedcamppodcast.substack.com