Anne Applebaum, David Sirota & Darryl Silver

The Atlantic’s Anne Applebaum examines how our authoritarian rise is actually happening faster than usual. The Apprentice producer Darryl Silver shares what we can learn from his experience working with Trump. Plus, we have a special bonus from our YouTube channel featuring The Lever’s David Sirota on what Democrats can learn from Trump’s tariffs. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.