What's Wrong in Current Discipleship, Planting a Church In a Mainline Denomination, and How to Know When It's Time to Leave Your Job

What's wrong with the current approach to discipleship? Lutheran pastor and author Zach Zehnder talks about what's wrong with the current approach to discipleship and what it's like to plant a church in a mainline denomination. Plus, Carey and Zach discuss the challenges of being an entrepreneurial pastor and how these innovative church leaders know when it's time to leave their clergy positions. 🔗  Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork   This episode is sponsored by: ON THE RISE If you want to be the first to get 2025's church trends, be sure to join my email list — on January 2nd, I'll be releasing all 5 trends along with a leader guide, and throughout January, there'll be more church trends content, podcast episodes, and resources to come. Go to ontherisenewsletter.com   STATE OF THE CHURCH You're invited to get access to all the latest State of the Church research from Barna. You’ll get free updates on monthly research drops, trending topics, and important news from across the Church–all powered by Gloo.  Text 'carey25' to 46816     Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network