379 - Selling Growth Plans (& Transformation) for Web Designers in 2025 with Shannon Mattern

Recently, my friend Shannon Mattern interviewed me on her The Profitable Web Designer podcast all about what"s working well for web designers killing it in 2025. She"s kindly offered to let me repurpose the whole convo for you!  It"s a bit of a 2-parter with part 1 being all about becoming more than just a web designer for clients, but a growth partner for bigger MRR (monthly recurring revenue) Part 2 covers more of what I went through in pivoting from selling information to selling transformation. Very parallel to web designers moving from selling a nice website design to selling a high-converting sales tool for clients. All the same lessons apply. Enjoy!