122: A former HHS secretary's fears for America's future

Donna Shalala, who served as Health and Human Services secretary under President Bill Clinton from 1993 to 2001, discusses her career in public health and her frustration with what’s happening at HHS now. She spoke with STAT editor Torie Bosch on Monday morning, after the reorganization of the department was announced but before “reduction in force” layoffs began Tuesday. The conversation was based in part on a recent First Opinion essay she wrote arguing that the reorganization was "silly" and "confusing."