Dev Propulsion Labs
Dev Propulsion Labs is a podcast about the business of developer tools. Hosts from the Evil Martians team interview prominent dev tools founders with the goal of sharing knowledge in the maturing developer tool and commercial open source industry.
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Michael Grinich of WorkOS on building invisible infrastructure that powers every AI company
In this episode of Dev Propulsion Labs, WorkOS founder Michael Grinich reveals why product always beats sales methodology in enterprise, how being the "plumbing" behind AI companies became his life's work, and why forcing yourself to talk to users is the only algorithm that burns out bad ideas. He shares why WorkOS bui
Ivan Burazin, Daytona on AI computers, $300K ARR sacrifice and racing competitors on a moving train
In this episode of Dev Propulsion Labs, Daytona CEO Ivan Burazin reveals why he walked away from $300K ARR to rebuild his company from scratch for the age of AI agents. He explains why agents will outnumber humans "to the power of ten," how Daytona creates composable computers that agents can spin up on demand, and wha
Paul Copplestone of Supabase on low ego teams, meme workshops, and building for the next generation
In this episode of Dev Propulsion Labs, Supabase CEO Paul Copplestone reveals why hiring ex-founders with beaten-down egos builds better products, how internal meme workshops became part of their culture, and why vibe coding isn't a bubble that will burst. He shares the accidental origin of Launch Weeks, explains why S
Sam Lambert of PlanetScale on surviving AWS outages and the real cost of extreme fault tolerance
Sam Lambert of PlanetScale reveals how they stayed up during the AWS outage that took down millions of sites, helped grow Vitess usage 61,000% in four years, and why "tier zero" infrastructure demands extreme fault tolerance. He shares the journey from 750-user consultancy to "growing like crazy", why operational excel
Zeno Rocha of Resend on cutting scope ruthlessly and shipping perfect products fast
Resend founder Zeno Rocha reveals how he built an $18M Series A email API company by obsessing over brand, giving away React Email for free, and rejecting the "ship crap fast" mentality. He shares why seeking rejection accelerates sales, how zero-ego hiring beats talent, and why most dev tools fail by hiding behind Git
Jeff Huber of Chroma on how small opinionated teams with low egos build the best developer tools
In this episode of Dev Propulsion Labs, Chroma co-founder Jeff Huber explains why "consensus is a death blow" for great products and reveals his framework for commercializing open source: keep the engine open, monetize the car. He breaks down context engineering, why RAG became industry brain rot, and how small opinion