
The Modern People Leader: Forward-Thinking HR
Listen to interviews with CHROs, Chief People Officers, and other work experts on how they're pioneering the way that we work. They share what's working, what's not, and how they've gotten to where they're at in their careers.
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228 - Nobody gets People Ops as a Product 100% right (and that’s ok): Jessica Zwaan (Author, Built for People)
Jessica Zwaan, COO at Talentful and author of Built for People, joined us on The Modern People Leader. We talked about “human ops” versus “people ops”, the sprint planning process for her people team, and how nobody gets people ops as a product 100% right (and that’s ok). ---- Sponsor Links: 🔗 Download the State of

227 - How to build AI workflows for HR: Taylor Bradley (VP, Talent Strategy & Success, Turing)
Taylor Bradley, VP of Talent Strategy and Success at Turing, joined us on The Modern People Leader.We talked about why every HR team needs to create an AI “prompt pantry”, how Turing “AI’d” their way out of onboarding 800 employees in five days, and how to build AI workflows for HR. ---- Sponsor Links: 🔗 Download the

226 - The 3 secrets to teamwork in 2025: Molly Sands (Head of the Teamwork Lab, Atlassian)
Molly Sands, Head of the Teamwork Lab at Atlassian, joined us on The Modern People Leader. We talked about Atlassian’s latest research on the three things the best teams do differently, the power of unleashing collective knowledge, and why distributed teams have a headstart on AI adoption. ---- 🔗 Go book your next of

225 - Pat Wadors (CHRO, Intuitive) on amplifying the “golden nuggets” of your culture
Pat Wadors, CHRO at Intuitive, joined us on The Modern People Leader. We talked about how to find and amplify the golden nuggets of your culture, the three layers of a great employee experience, why you need to “touch the elephant”, and what kids’ stories can teach us about leadership. ---- 🔗 Request a demo of Chart
Jessica Zwaan returned to The Modern People Leader for a deep dive on how her PeopleOps as a Product philosophy came to life. We talked about the early days of the framework, writing her book, and the launch of MPL Build — a new collaboration between MPL and Jessica to bring the methodology to more teams. ---- 🔗Join

223 - Shane Koller (Chief People Officer, Ancestry): Running your People Team like a Product Team
Shane Koller joined us on The Modern People Leader. We talked about adopting a product mindset in HR, how Ancestry’s people team built their “product roadmap”, and why even great HR programs fall short when they’re not connected. ---- 🔗 Request a demo of ChartHop. 🔗 Buy your ticket for MPL Live San Francisco. 🔗 Be