Bare Knuckles and Brass Tacks

Updated: 31 Mar 2025 • 128 episodes
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Hosted by two guys named George on either side of the divide, this is a cybersecurity podcast that tackles the relationship between vendors and their customers. George Kamide is on the security vendor side, and George Al-Koura is a CISO on the customer side. Vendors gotta sell, and companies need tooling to protect their data. Tune in to hear real conversations from opposing sides of the pitch about cybersecurity marketing, sales, and go to market strategies. We go after these topics and bad practices with bare knuckles, then it’s down to brass tacks to look for solutions. Tune in to hear from guests from either side, including CISOs, SMEs, sales leaders, frontline account managers, and more!

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This week, Ads Dawson, Staff AI Security Researcher at Dreadnode, joins the show to talk all things AI Red Teaming! George K and George A talk to Ads about: The reality of securing #AI model development pipelines Why cross-functional expertise is critical when securing AI systems How to approach continuous red teaming

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Ever wondered why cybersecurity hiring is broken? Jessica's flipping the script with a revolutionary approach to talent acquisition and development! George K and George A talk to Jessica about: How she transformed the company’s hiring by focusing on building talent rather than looking for unicorns or perfect fits Why a

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This week, researcher Kate Wood from Info-Tech joins the show to talk about the future of security autonomization with AI. George K and George A talk to Kate about: The reality of AI adoption in security beyond marketing hype (and where the hallucinations are still problematic) Modernizing vendor risk management beyond

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This week we talk to Allan Alford talking about his 25 years journey from CISO to startups to consulting and now his return back to corporate America! George K and George A talk to Allan about: His wild career journey - and what motivated his most recent career decision His new gig at NTT Global Data Centers, and why d

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This week Jeanette Belashov, of Anvilogic, joins the show to talk about smarter and more authentic cybersecurity marketing. George K and George A talk to Jeanette about: Why the lead gen MQL mindset is total BS and hurts both your strategy AND your buyers Using selling signals instead of vanity metrics to actually help

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The unstoppable Tennisha Martin joins the show this week! The Executive Director of BlackGirlsHack digs into what it really takes to build diverse cybersecurity talent pipelines in today's challenging environment. George K and George A talk to Tennisha about: How BGH is using AI and hands-on labs to teach real-world ha

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